Armed man arrested outside Trump’s Coachella rally

[Ksihkehe]

I'm probably an outlier on this, but I've started to believe that the DNC or whoever is making decisions doesn't want them to be in the White House beyond January. The reasons would derail, but I don't see it as their first choice. I think they'd have preferred Vance though, in an impotent administration mired with old guard Republicans oozing back to life. With no coherent successor to Trump, it would hamstring things. You could also argue that it would lionize the Republicans to a strong political movement, but I see where there's still plenty of rot in the core of that tree. I believe Vance would be elected, but be dragged into a war for the direction of the party with the old Republican guard.

I think the first attempt was the only legit attempt. I think things since have been people that thought they were working toward a real goal, but they're getting scooped up long before they get close. I don't think it's an accident. Somebody was working with them and I doubt whoever it was could be totally off the radar.

I don't really doubt that a sufficiently competent person could pull off a lot of the stuff these guys did. I just don't think any of these guys were sufficiently competent to do these things themselves. Some of it they obviously had help with, knowing schedules, obtaining documents, and going places they should have been out of place. Individually these things are plausible for somebody to pull off, but when you start adding them up it's not just anybody that has all those skills. I'm sure figuring out who exactly was helping them would be like playing grab ass in a room full of career confidential informants or some other kind of dark money profiteers. I doubt they'll sniff too far down those money trails.

I don't really know anything about this third guy except the basics, but we'll see.

So far we've got some incel kid that that was so crazy he was able to be convinced he could easily walk into a place with a ladder and rifle to take a shot at a nominee (yeah, crazy doesn't always mean wrong). Then some weird menial wage guy that had been convinced he was a mercenary recruiter being sent all over the place. The Starbucks warlord.

I'm not sure if it's true, but I'm seeing that this third guy was a sovereign citizen. If so, I think the trend I'm observing is on track. I wonder how many more loons they have drying on a line somewhere waiting for their turn? It doesn't look to me that any of these guys since the first were give much help when they really needed it in the final dash to the finish. Crooks got a pass and failed, but these guys aren't getting red carpets. The second two are also still alive, which probably means they can't implicate anybody that's powerful enough to matter.

Someday maybe one of your grandkids will see a declassified memo that gives the whole story, if you're raising them to be crazy conspiracy theorists. I'm not counting on getting a straight story on this in my lifetime.

[FCD]

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I don't really doubt that a sufficiently competent person could pull off a lot of the stuff these guys did. I just don't think any of these guys were sufficiently competent to do these things themselves. Some of it they obviously had help with, knowing schedules, obtaining documents, and going places they should have been out of place. Individually these things are plausible for somebody to pull off, but when you start adding them up it's not just anybody that has all those skills. I'm sure figuring out who exactly was helping them would be like playing grab ass in a room full of career confidential informants or some other kind of dark money profiteers. I doubt they'll sniff too far down those money trails.

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And this is really the crux of the whole sequence of incidents against Trump.  It's not that any one of these things (individually) would be impossible, but when you step back and look at them collectively there's just way too many instances which rule out them being by coincidence.

• The first shooter was spotted hours before the attempt behaving strangely. 
  
• The first shooter was identified as a threat, again hours before the shooting, but supervisors refused to escalate this intelligence.  Why?
  
• The first shooter was observed on the rooftop with a weapon, to the extent LEO's were running that direction with weapons drawn, but Trump was still allowed on stage.  Why?
  
• The first shooter's hideout just happened to be outside the oddly shaped security perimeter (how would he have known this??)
  
• The first shooter was a 'known' commodity (person of interest) by federal authorities long before the shooting. 
  
• The first shooter was in a television commercial for Blackrock.
  
• The first shooter was alleged to be a former Trump supporter, turned hater.
  
• The first shooter was shot dead by authorities
  

• The second shooter allegedly went to the golf course no less than 8 hours BEFORE Trump even made the decision to golf that day.  How did he know?
  
• The second shooter flew all the way from Hawaii to Florida just to be there on that day. (Where did he get the money?  Not a cheap flight.)
  
• The second shooter had a suspended license, a long felony record (including possession of WMD's), but wasn't on a no-fly list.  Why?
  
• The second shooter managed to get a firearm and a vehicle in a state he wasn't even from and where he had no connections.  How?
  
• The second shooter managed to hide out at a location widely known by media as a spot to photograph Trump, but it wasn't swept by the SS prior to Trump playing golf.  Why?
  
• The second shooter learned of this location which was popular with media...how?
  
• The second shooter was in a television commercial about relief in Ukraine
  
• The second shooter was alleged to be a former Trump supporter, turned hater.
  
• The second shooter was arrested without incident (didn't resist) by the County Sheriff.
  

• The third shooter had multiple passports.  How?  Where did he get these?
  
• The third shooter had forged credentials for the rally.  Why?
  
• The third shooter is alleged to be a "sovereign citizen".  Sovereign citizens do not believe in the authority of the federal government, only the county sheriff.  Yet this person claims to be a Trump supporter?  How?
  
• The third shooter stated his intent to willfully cause harm to the former president.
  
• The third shooter is alleged to be a former Trump supporter, turned hater.
  
• The third shooter was arrested without incident (by the County Sheriff)
  

Here's another interesting factoid...  The alleged "witness" who photographed the second shooter's license plate was never identified.  This is because it wasn't a "witness" at all, but rather a drone of some sort which was loitering in the area.  Whose drone was it?  Why was the drone there?  Was the drone there ensuring the shooter would get caught (so he couldn't get away...so he would be Epstein-ed in jail)? 

This list is far from complete; there are numerous other factoids which could be included here.  When viewed individually, none of these things are impossible.  But again, when viewed collectively, all of these actions happening coincidentally is simply not possible.

[FCD]

I'm probably an outlier on this, but I've started to believe that the DNC or whoever is making decisions doesn't want them to be in the White House beyond January. The reasons would derail, but I don't see it as their first choice. I think they'd have preferred Vance though, in an impotent administration mired with old guard Republicans oozing back to life. With no coherent successor to Trump, it would hamstring things. You could also argue that it would lionize the Republicans to a strong political movement, but I see where there's still plenty of rot in the core of that tree. I believe Vance would be elected, but be dragged into a war for the direction of the party with the old Republican guard.

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Just a follow-up thought.  There's another angle here also....

All of these shooters / potential shooters are, or were, 'known' individuals at local, state and federal levels.  They were all 'persons of interest' in some capacity.  Hold onto this thought for a moment.

Practically every day we read about this theme of personal freedoms (firearms ownership, invasion of privacy, surveillance, mental health, etc.).  On the one hand people say authorities can't 'harass' people with Big Brother monitoring. On the other hand, the supporters of Big Brother say they can't fix one problem without infringing on some 'freedom' (i.e. gun ownership, privacy, etc.).

In each of the three attempts so far we have:

• illegal firearms, or dubious possession.
  
• mental health issues
  
• "person of interest" (i.e. known by authorities prior to the event)
  
• oh, and conveniently...white male, non-immigrant, perpetrator.  (how convenient is that????)
  

What are the chances?

Is this setting the stage for real Big Brother society?

[Ksihkehe]

Just a follow-up thought.  There's another angle here also....

All of these shooters / potential shooters are, or were, 'known' individuals at local, state and federal levels.  They were all 'persons of interest' in some capacity.  Hold onto this thought for a moment.

Practically every day we read about this theme of personal freedoms (firearms ownership, invasion of privacy, surveillance, mental health, etc.).  On the one hand people say authorities can't 'harass' people with Big Brother monitoring. On the other hand, the supporters of Big Brother say they can't fix one problem without infringing on some 'freedom' (i.e. gun ownership, privacy, etc.).

In each of the three attempts so far we have:

• illegal firearms, or dubious possession.
  
• mental health issues
  
• "person of interest" (i.e. known by authorities prior to the event)
  
• oh, and conveniently...white male, non-immigrant, perpetrator.  (how convenient is that????)
  

What are the chances?

Is this setting the stage for real Big Brother society?

Yes, I discussed this nightmare scenario privately some time ago.

Imagine that Trump gets elected. The press, that is already sort of turning parts of the ship around on leaking things that harm Harris, then pulls the plug on constant anti-Trunp stuff. Cue the unrest. Unlike the Antifa riots the press actually reports on these events to strike fear into the hearts of the TV-watching goof troop.

We know that Trump already has a much stronger base than what the rhetoric would tell you. Many of them are already itching to crack down on people that participate in unrest. Throw the vapid consumers in to that support with the news reporting these yet to be determined events.

The press reports the truth, Trump has a mandate to crack down including from the mindless sheep that get their news on the TV, and to thunderous applause we get the next stage of the Patriot Act. Digital ID, probably biometric, to counter the leak of all the data that occured just a few months back. CBDC won't matter as much, but your money is already digital and easily frozen anyway. The digital ID will be a one stop shop for pulling the plug on anything they want.

It won't sound that way, there will be reasons why they will say it has to be done, people will complain, but nobody will have a better solution.

Meanwhile there's a backdrop of serious financial troubles, critical mass with the competency crisis, Trump has too many fish in the barrel to shoot them all, and the dinosaurs that don't need to worry about getting elected anymore will hamstring his agenda in key places.

People get very caught up in the partisan game, but the people we're talking about don't care what color the chess pieces are or care about their rank when they're no longer useful. I don't think they'd care about losing their least popular DNC candidate from 2020 in an embarrassing defeat. I don't think they care about much except the real goals of more control, fewer humans, and greater dependence of the masses upon centralized production for everything they need to survive.

They sit out the economic collapse, feed Trump a few sacrificial lambs, and Trump puts through policy that eventually turns out to be an authoritarian nightmare once the wrong fingers get in the pie.

The trouble is... he's still the best option even if this nightmare scenario is on the table. Harris is a puppet that appears to be mostly just swept up in celebrity. She seems unable to articulate anything rational about her plan to fix anything. Not that Trump has given lots of detailed plans, but he has shown that he understands some of the problems even if he seems out of his depth on others.

Hope for the best, but plan for the worst. I don't know what their plans are, but it doesn't make sense to me to have gone through all this and suddenly the wheels fall off on the press being in the bag for Harris. It doesn't smell right. The leaks, even some negative articles, the SNL skits. These people managed to keep the diary and laptop on lockdown, but now these missteps are blowing back on an already poorly performing candidate?

Even if it's just sloppy work, would they be this sloppy if they really wanted Harris in there? Would they have picked the sketchball that's her VP? I think this may be TPTB time to tell Harris and Waltz that they've peaked.

[FCD]

Yep, and when you add in the 'person of interest' angle, you get a giant excuse to do all kinds of things. For example, when people ask why, if they were a person of interest, weren't they arrested sooner...then the answer they get is they hadn't broken any laws yet, or lately. Then, the authorities can also say..."Even with all these people as persons of interest we can't infringe on their freedoms, so just imagine all the people we don't know about yet who AREN'T persons of interest! Therefore, we need to implement 'xxxxx' (draconian measure), and 'yyyyyy' (more draconian measure), and 'zzzzzzz',...all of these things in the interest of public safety!"

It's like the perfect storm. And every single one of these people fits this exact category:

- White male (not an immigrant, nor a minority...so can't blame them)
- On some watch list (but can't infringe on their freedoms!)
- History of some obscure mental health issue (but nothing actionable)
- Oh, and here, take this free gun while you're at it!

If I didn't know better, I'd say it was a setup...but I don't know better.

Next steps...
- Everyone is on a watch list
- Nobody has any freedoms
- Everyone is crazy
- Nobody has a gun

- Big Brother has complete control