Consciousness studies 3 - Lucid dreaming

[TokenLiberal]

Researching new fields can be intellectually stimulating, figuring out the way these things work and how to work with them is very challenging. Conventional psychology isn't always helpful and can become an impediment to progress.  Even more challenging is to translate findings into plain language without the mystic jargon.

One can learn to think outside the box.

But what is 'the box' that one must learn to think outside?

Well that would be conventional thought.

In many ways dreams are five dimensional. That is to say Length X Width X Height X Inside X Outside. The dream itself is contained within the dimension of inside, and to have an inside one needs an outside.  - The container and the contained. That means we can have a two-dimensional object without length width nor height.

Working these things out can be quite trippy in what it does to conventional intellectual thinking. More so to put it into practice.

Any armchair explorer can do this sort of research if they are inclined to try.

What it really is is introspection and when it comes to introspection, I'd rather reflect on my thoughts and actions from when I'm "fully there". In dreams, lucid or no, we are shadows of our conscious selves, and the psychology of this shadow is not that interesting to me when I have a perfectly good view of the real thing. I can see why it would be intriguing to others though, especially to spiritual people (which I am very much not).

[Nugget]

It's actually likely you'll have one soon. If not, somebody that's following along is likely to even if they aren't doing the protocols. I haven't kept track of how often it happens relative to how often I've had in-depth discussions on it, but often enough to have noticed even with a pretty small sample size. Every little nudge counts, even the ones that come from the environment. Those that are already having them are now getting subliminal priming from this exposure to the topic. The more exposure, the harder the nudge.

I think it will be Nugget. She's got almost all of nudge right in her name. She's going to become Nudgget.

 That very night i'woke up' in my dream, as usual and waswondeering if I could read. I loooked around, saw a desk and went over to investigate.
There was a fairly thick stack of papers stapled together and the cover sheet only had the printed word "CONFIDENTIAL' on it. 
I thought"Well, I guess I can read in my dreams, and carried on with my dream.

Nearly every night since then I've been reading things in my dream. Tonight I was dreaming about buying a blow-up waterboard and ran into my hubby. There was a rack of books on the wall and I asked if he wanted me to buy the car manual one; he said he's rather have the one that titled 'Compromise'. I was aware at the time that I was reading again in a dream.

Hubby said he had some car parts to pick up and would see me at home. I decided to get some candy-which was odd because I seldom eat candy. The store had every kind of candy imaginable, including Christmas and Easter!
I was loading up on huge bags of candy and realized I knew where everything was in this store because I'd shopped here in my past dreams many, many times before. There seems to be nothing that this store doesn't carry; it's like a giant mall all in one large space....the 'Home Everything Depot'.

I decided to wake myself up so I could write the dream down. Usually all I have to do when I'm dreaming is tell myself to remember it in the morning so I can annalyze it, but once in a while that doesn't work.

I don't know if I've always been able to read in my dreams, or it was the power of suggestion that freed my mind to do it,but I was definitely 'Nudggetized'.

[NobodySpecial268]

Here is some of my own research on dreams from a few years ago. It may apply to lucid dreaming in a way, these things should be worked out. It was explored within my Fairy thread on ATS. Originally, I worked it out in regard to schizophrenia. A dream of a (living) schizophrenic girl was over-laying her waking consciousness. The question at the time was where exactly did she wake up in the morning?

Today I looked into an autistic girl.

The diagram below represents the inversion of consciousness when we awaken and fall asleep. It is close enough to use as a dowser's diagnostic tool.

   

In the autistic child, not all the "petals" lit up with consciousness when "awake". In the case looked at, only 20 out of 22 "petals" were lit up while awake. That suggests the autistic does not wake up properly. In other words, an incomplete inversion of consciousness from asleep to awake.

I wonder if, with lucid dreaming, there is, in a way, a similar but reversed occurrence with the lucid dreamer where the "asleep" conscious is partially "awake".

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ETA: The key to understanding here is to put aside the commonly held belief that our consciousness somehow disappears or stops working when we are asleep. Try thinking instead of an inversion of consciousness when waking and falling asleep. The sensation experienced is the mind feels like it is turning inside out, thus "inversion". If one can remember a time when life ended, the sensation of turning inside out will be familiar. It is that inversion where we don't remember our dreams.

[NobodySpecial268]

Perhaps not exactly Lucid Dreaming, perhaps it is. The story does illustrate the value of the dream diary, and Ryo could read in her dreams.

In my Russian newsfeed, a curious entry, it is the story of a Japanese girl by the name of Ryo Tatsuki who in 1999 published a manga (comic book) called The Future I See. The book was a collection of dreams from her dream diary. The dreams were from a period of her life from the mid 1970s to 1999. Ryo wrote the book when she realised her dreams were showing her events in the future. The events include the deaths of Princess Diana and Freddy Mercury, the Kobe earthquake and others. Some of the events are yet to happen, including an event in July 2025. That date is not far away.

I managed to track down a short 8 minute video that talks about what Ryo dreamed, and here it is:

The Japanese Phantom Prophecy Comic Book: "The Future I Saw" by Ryo Tatsuki.



Another link to an article about this: Ryo Tatsuki: ‘The Future I See’.