MH370 - All You Need to Know

[19Bones79]

Finally, a thread about anything else 


This link to the premier researcher(most likely) on all things MH370 on Twitter and his findings are nothing short of spectacular for any mystery loving amateur sleuths.

Could the facts presented be true but used as a distraction to draw attention away from the fact that the US' financial system is experiencing a meltdown directly attributable to economic malfeasance?

As mentioned before I am unable to access my old threads on the other site but perhaps some people remember my thread about my wife seeing a UFO in the early hours of the morning disappear into an opening that vanished together with the UFO. 

I showed her the footage linked below and she confirmed that the way MH370 simply disappeared looks exactly like the sequence that she witnessed. 

I want to propose a new type of toast. 

May you live in dull and uninspiring times. 



https://x.com/JustXAshton/status/1715882...P4UeA&s=19

[Ksihkehe]

Finally, a thread about anything else 
remember my thread about my wife seeing a UFO in the early hours

There are two threads related to that. The second has more interesting details.

The initial story
Follow up and more details

I begrudgingly like Ashton, though he's had some real boneheaded moves that are easy to laugh about.

I think that these are probably plasma, some kind of energy projection. I don't think they teleported the plane (though I think that may be possible to achieve to linear observation and within the bounds of physics), but maybe cloaked it. I've seen some papers at some point that discuss using intersecting energy beams to create plasma. If you can project energy like this it should be a small feat to modulate that projection in a way to foil all energy sensing equipment. That could include even direct visual observation, not just equipment.

I'm not satisfied with the debunks that have been discussed, but I also don't care enough to dig into them more. There's something out there, but I don't think these are them. I also haven't looked up exactly who was on the flight, but the preponderance of claims seem to point toward semiconductor scientists from China?

I think he's maybe at a dead end. It'll be interesting to see if he gets more "whistleblowers" coming out of the woodwork to claim inside knowledge. If the US had something to do with it, even if it wasn't nefarious, I doubt we'll get a full story in my lifetime. It seems fairly common for people that get into something that intelligence or defense interests don't like and suddenly they become inadvertent propagandists for fake leakers.

I'll be proven wrong one of these times and we'll get the motherload of info drops. The original go fast and tictac.videos are still nowhere near being explained.

[19Bones79]

There are two threads related to that. The second has more interesting details.

The initial story
Follow up and more details

I begrudgingly like Ashton, though he's had some real boneheaded moves that are easy to laugh about.

I think that these are probably plasma, some kind of energy projection. I don't think they teleported the plane (though I think that may be possible to achieve to linear observation and within the bounds of physics), but maybe cloaked it. I've seen some papers at some point that discuss using intersecting energy beams to create plasma. If you can project energy like this it should be a small feat to modulate that projection in a way to foil all energy sensing equipment. That could include even direct visual observation, not just equipment.

I'm not satisfied with the debunks that have been discussed, but I also don't care enough to dig into them more. There's something out there, but I don't think these are them. I also haven't looked up exactly who was on the flight, but the preponderance of claims seem to point toward semiconductor scientists from China?

I think he's maybe at a dead end. It'll be interesting to see if he gets more "whistleblowers" coming out of the woodwork to claim inside knowledge. If the US had something to do with it, even if it wasn't nefarious, I doubt we'll get a full story in my lifetime. It seems fairly common for people that get into something that intelligence or defense interests don't like and suddenly they become inadvertent propagandists for fake leakers.

I'll be proven wrong one of these times and we'll get the motherload of info drops. The original go fast and tictac.videos are still nowhere near being explained.

Thanks for the links! 

I think it was American scientists aboard the plane.

If this tech does exist, I wonder if they could have used it for 9/11.. Just a random thought. 

Admittedly I'm not an avid follower of the MH370 mystery myself but I it popped up in my X feed and seemed like the kind of rabbit hole some of our members could enjoy.

[Nugget]

Here's a link to the passenger roster:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26503469

And here's the part about 20 from a US company:

"The co-workers
Also on the plane were 20 staff members from a US technology company, Freescale Semiconductor, which makes powerful microchips for industries, including defence.

Twelve employees were from Malaysia and eight were from China. The company said it was "deeply saddened" by the news, in a statement on its website, external.

I have often wondered if China wanted them silenced.

[Ksihkehe]

I have often wondered if China wanted them silenced.

I'd think the US would be more worried about them talking to China. China could have simply scooped them up in Beijing.

The US seems to have all kinds of Chinese scientists working in high level positions and China doesn't seem to have a problem with it. They love sending them money to do bioengineering experiments and China loves having their scientists work at US colleges.

There were conspiracies about a patent that was shared with four people that died on the flight and the company. There was a conspiracy about them having made a breakthrough that the shadow government didn't want shared. There was an alien theory, at one point. Several mentions of a fire and specifically a lithium fire. That brings to mind pagers being detonated remotely, which was just unveiled to the public during the Israeli takedown of a bunch of Hamas leadership.

Is this the flight where, maybe Don Lemon on CNN, asked if it got sucked into a black hole? I think it might be.

Lol, had to look it up.



Not to derail, but I remember this from way back then and everyone thought he was an idiot. If Ashton is right and the orb video is real... DON LEMON was asking the right kind of questions a decade before the alternative press!     

He should have stuck with missing planes and he may not have become a laughing stock.

[19Bones79]

I'd think the US would be more worried about them talking to China. China could have simply scooped them up in Beijing.

The US seems to have all kinds of Chinese scientists working in high level positions and China doesn't seem to have a problem with it. They love sending them money to do bioengineering experiments and China loves having their scientists work at US colleges.

There were conspiracies about a patent that was shared with four people that died on the flight and the company. There was a conspiracy about them having made a breakthrough that the shadow government didn't want shared. There was an alien theory, at one point. Several mentions of a fire and specifically a lithium fire. That brings to mind pagers being detonated remotely, which was just unveiled to the public during the Israeli takedown of a bunch of Hamas leadership.

Is this the flight where, maybe Don Lemon on CNN, asked if it got sucked into a black hole? I think it might be.

Lol, had to look it up.



Not to derail, but I remember this from way back then and everyone thought he was an idiot. If Ashton is right and the orb video is real... DON LEMON was asking the right kind of questions a decade before the alternative press!     

He should have stuck with missing planes and he may not have become a laughing stock.

Living in a reality where Don Lemon provides investigative journalism was not on my bingo card. 

[FCD]

MH370 isn't that hard to figure out. What makes this mystery a 'mystery' at all is people's refusal to accept the real reason why MH370 disappeared. This is also the same reason why more information about its final location is still shrouded in fog and giant heaping piles of bullshit. What shocks me about MH370 is the lengths people will go to in order to find some reason for its disappearance other than the patently obvious.

MH370 wasn't abducted by aliens. MH370 wasn't made to disappear because of some scientists on board. MH370 wasn't hijacked to Diego Garcia, or anywhere else. MH370 disappeared for one simple reason...because the pilot of MH370 wanted it to disappear, plain and simple.

If people would finally accept this as the reason (I'm looking at YOU, Malaysia), then we could probably make giant leaps ahead with finding the final resting place of the wreckage.

I worked shoulder to shoulder with the heads of MAS (Malaysian Air Systems, the owner of Malaysian Airlines) every single day for more than two years. I know exactly how their operations work. I know how their brains work. I also worked with senior officials of the Malaysian government for as many years. I know how they work too.

There are so many things which could be learned from the disappearance of MH370 it's almost impossible to count them all, BUT in order to learn these things we first have to get past this mental roadblock that the cause of the disappearance was some mystical super-power thing. It wasn't. It just wasn't.

MH370 took off just after midnight on the morning of 8 March 2014 and shortly afterwards one of the pilots decided to carry out some twisted fantasy of making the aircraft disappear over the Indian Ocean. The rest is history. There is no other possible explanation. There just isn't. If people could just come to terms with this, and stop with all the other nonsense, we could get on with the business of actually finding the final resting place of MH370. It's really this simple.

Every single calorie expended looking for MH370 to date has been based on some bias or other, some preconceived assumption. And this all boils down to one simple thing...that no one was in control of MH370 at the time it crashed. This is a false assumption, and all the hundreds of millions of dollars wasted so far searching for MH370 have had this one reason as the justification of their efforts. Face it...it's wrong! Period. Accept it.

If the world aviation community would dispense with all the BS and get on with actually finding MH370, we'd be way further down the road to actually locating it. MH370 didn't crash on the "7th Arc". It crashed further west and north. Every single piece of recovered evidence to date support this. But where do they keep searching?? Yep, you guessed it...along the 7th Arc. And, they base this on un-commanded flight after the 180 degree turn off the coast of Vietnam. Jeezus! Get over it already! The plane was under control, and it was under control until well after it made the sweeping southward left hand turn off the western tip of Indonesia.

If people really want, truly want, to find MH370, they'll start there.

That is all.

[19Bones79]

MH370 isn't that hard to figure out.  What makes this mystery a 'mystery' at all is people's refusal to accept the real reason why MH370 disappeared.  This is also the same reason why more information about its final location is still shrouded in fog and giant heaping piles of bullshit.  What shocks me about MH370 is the lengths people will go to in order to find some reason for its disappearance other than the patently obvious.

MH370 wasn't abducted by aliens.  MH370 wasn't made to disappear because of some scientists on board.  MH370 wasn't hijacked to Diego Garcia, or anywhere else.  MH370 disappeared for one simple reason...because the pilot of MH370 wanted it to disappear, plain and simple.

If people would finally accept this as the reason (I'm looking at YOU, Malaysia), then we could probably make giant leaps ahead with finding the final resting place of the wreckage.

I worked shoulder to shoulder with the heads of MAS (Malaysian Air Systems, the owner of Malaysian Airlines) every single day for more than two years.  I know exactly how their operations work.  I know how their brains work.  I also worked with senior officials of the Malaysian government for as many years.  I know how they work too. 

There are so many things which could be learned from the disappearance of MH370 it's almost impossible to count them all, BUT in order to learn these things we first have to get past this mental roadblock that the cause of the disappearance was some mystical super-power thing.  It wasn't.  It just wasn't.

MH370 took off just after midnight on the morning of 8 March 2014 and shortly afterwards one of the pilots decided to carry out some twisted fantasy of making the aircraft disappear over the Indian Ocean.  The rest is history.  There is no other possible explanation.  There just isn't.  If people could just come to terms with this, and stop with all the other nonsense, we could get on with the business of actually finding the final resting place of MH370.  It's really this simple.

Every single calorie expended looking for MH370 to date has been based on some bias or other, some preconceived assumption.  And this all boils down to one simple thing...that no one was in control of MH370 at the time it crashed.  This is a false assumption, and all the hundreds of millions of dollars wasted so far searching for MH370 have had this one reason as the justification of their efforts.  Face it...it's wrong!  Period.  Accept it.

If the world aviation community would dispense with all the BS and get on with actually finding MH370, we'd be way further down the road to actually locating it.  MH370 didn't crash on the "7th Arc".  It crashed further west and north.  Every single piece of recovered evidence to date support this.  But where do they keep searching??  Yep, you guessed it...along the 7th Arc.  And, they base this on un-commanded flight after the 180 degree turn off the coast of Vietnam.  Jeezus!  Get over it already!  The plane was under control, and it was under control until well after it made the sweeping southward left hand turn off the western tip of Indonesia.

If people really want, truly want, to find MH370, they'll start there.

That is all.

I'm inclined to take you very seriously on that. I'm all for a normal explanation before running amok in different directions. 

Do you have a previous thread that I might visit or if not I would love for you to expand on your thoughts here as I have no doubt that you followed through on all available info up to the point where there be dragons, or not. 

[Ksihkehe]

MH370 isn't that hard to figure out.  What makes this mystery a 'mystery' at all is people's refusal to accept the real reason why MH370 disappeared.  This is also the same reason why more information about its final location is still shrouded in fog and giant heaping piles of bullshit.  What shocks me about MH370 is the lengths people will go to in order to find some reason for its disappearance other than the patently obvious.

MH370 wasn't abducted by aliens.  MH370 wasn't made to disappear because of some scientists on board.  MH370 wasn't hijacked to Diego Garcia, or anywhere else.  MH370 disappeared for one simple reason...because the pilot of MH370 wanted it to disappear, plain and simple.

If people would finally accept this as the reason (I'm looking at YOU, Malaysia), then we could probably make giant leaps ahead with finding the final resting place of the wreckage.

I worked shoulder to shoulder with the heads of MAS (Malaysian Air Systems, the owner of Malaysian Airlines) every single day for more than two years.  I know exactly how their operations work.  I know how their brains work.  I also worked with senior officials of the Malaysian government for as many years.  I know how they work too. 

There are so many things which could be learned from the disappearance of MH370 it's almost impossible to count them all, BUT in order to learn these things we first have to get past this mental roadblock that the cause of the disappearance was some mystical super-power thing.  It wasn't.  It just wasn't.

MH370 took off just after midnight on the morning of 8 March 2014 and shortly afterwards one of the pilots decided to carry out some twisted fantasy of making the aircraft disappear over the Indian Ocean.  The rest is history.  There is no other possible explanation.  There just isn't.  If people could just come to terms with this, and stop with all the other nonsense, we could get on with the business of actually finding the final resting place of MH370.  It's really this simple.

Every single calorie expended looking for MH370 to date has been based on some bias or other, some preconceived assumption.  And this all boils down to one simple thing...that no one was in control of MH370 at the time it crashed.  This is a false assumption, and all the hundreds of millions of dollars wasted so far searching for MH370 have had this one reason as the justification of their efforts.  Face it...it's wrong!  Period.  Accept it.

If the world aviation community would dispense with all the BS and get on with actually finding MH370, we'd be way further down the road to actually locating it.  MH370 didn't crash on the "7th Arc".  It crashed further west and north.  Every single piece of recovered evidence to date support this.  But where do they keep searching??  Yep, you guessed it...along the 7th Arc.  And, they base this on un-commanded flight after the 180 degree turn off the coast of Vietnam.  Jeezus!  Get over it already!  The plane was under control, and it was under control until well after it made the sweeping southward left hand turn off the western tip of Indonesia.

If people really want, truly want, to find MH370, they'll start there.

That is all.

Who exactly is coordinating or compelling participation in this massive conspiracy if it's penetrated high levels of international government? What do those completely detached from anything related to the airline or country of origin gain from remaining willfully ignorant to this obvious solution? Is this not, in and of itself, evidence of a conspiracy?

The CDC says it's against disinformation that might cause hesitancy for people to get COVID vaccines. Simultaneously, they hide safety data from the public. Failing to release comprehensive data (and attempting to hide trial data for 75 years) obviously has negative impacts on public perception and as a result increases hesitancy for people to get COVID vaccines. It's fairly clear that the data doesn't support what they're saying as far as safety and efficacy, but we understand that as a captured agency they have a vested interest in providing cover for pharma profits. Their behavior is only irrational if you don't know that they're captured by the companies profiting off the products (and even profit within the agency based on the sale of those products).

I bring that up because I don't understand the "why" in the case of MH370. People are often irrational and do irrational things without real good reasons. Maybe the pilot did just that and let the plane crash. I still don't expect to see a unified global response that acts in an irrational, yet broadly consistent way, across different demographics with interests that are not aligned. There must be some reason for the collective international community to play along or they're ignorant of the answer. I don't see many alternatives to those two options, with a combination of the two being probable and institutionalized agency apathy playing a supporting role perhaps.

I'm more than happy to accept your personal experience as valid and your analysis as being based on precisely what you observed, entirely factual and true. I can do that, but it does nothing to support your assertion that your explanation is the only one and that it is patently obvious. If that's the case there should be some things other than your experience that support it. If it's obvious and all of these different unconnected "official" sources are letting that evidence remain obfuscated (in world that has spent trillions on fact-checking and debunking), there must be some reasons. In the absence of a reason, it remains less than obvious to me what is really going on.

I don't feel any particular bias because nothing involved in all this conjecture impacts my worldview or life. If the pilot crashed the plane it is no more or less impactful to me than if it was rendered invisible to instruments using advanced tech, hijacked to eliminate scientists, or experienced a fire. All of these things are still as relatively mundane, probabilistically and within my broader worldview, as a sociopath pilot killing a bunch of passengers. Pilots have been killing innocent people for decades, they're just usually not in the plane with them.

So, if the pilot did let the plane crash... what's the deal? Even if I require no evidence other than your experience I'm still left with massive gaps in what transpired since. I don't believe Malaysia has the clout to prevent the entire global community from speaking out or searching for wreckage, so what gives? Why does it remain such a big mystery when they could easily just go search the right area? What could be in the black box or wreckage that is any more inflammatory to public perception than an experienced and endorsed pilot deciding to end the lives of all the passengers?

If you have any plausible answers to these questions I would be glad to hear them. I have no dog in the fight, but without being able to answer those questions it remains filed under mysterious for me. To me it is impossible to separate the incident from what has happened since and, with the available information, it doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't mean you aren't correct, but it means I'm missing quite a bit of information about the implications of your scenario that caused this manufactured uncertainty to persist.

[FCD]

Who exactly is coordinating or compelling participation in this massive conspiracy if it's penetrated high levels of international government? What do those completely detached from anything related to the airline or country of origin gain from remaining willfully ignorant to this obvious solution? Is this not, in and of itself, evidence of a conspiracy?

The CDC says it's against disinformation that might cause hesitancy for people to get COVID vaccines. Simultaneously, they hide safety data from the public. Failing to release comprehensive data (and attempting to hide trial data for 75 years) obviously has negative impacts on public perception and as a result increases hesitancy for people to get COVID vaccines. It's fairly clear that the data doesn't support what they're saying as far as safety and efficacy, but we understand that as a captured agency they have a vested interest in providing cover for pharma profits. Their behavior is only irrational if you don't know that they're captured by the companies profiting off the products (and even profit within the agency based on the sale of those products).

I bring that up because I don't understand the "why" in the case of MH370. People are often irrational and do irrational things without real good reasons. Maybe the pilot did just that and let the plane crash. I still don't expect to see a unified global response that acts in an irrational, yet broadly consistent way, across different demographics with interests that are not aligned. There must be some reason for the collective international community to play along or they're ignorant of the answer. I don't see many alternatives to those two options, with a combination of the two being probable and institutionalized agency apathy playing a supporting role perhaps.

I'm more than happy to accept your personal experience as valid and your analysis as being based on precisely what you observed, entirely factual and true. I can do that, but it does nothing to support your assertion that your explanation is the only one and that it is patently obvious. If that's the case there should be some things other than your experience that support it. If it's obvious and all of these different unconnected "official" sources are letting that evidence remain obfuscated (in world that has spent trillions on fact-checking and debunking), there must be some reasons. In the absence of a reason, it remains less than obvious to me what is really going on.

I don't feel any particular bias because nothing involved in all this conjecture impacts my worldview or life. If the pilot crashed the plane it is no more or less impactful to me than if it was rendered invisible to instruments using advanced tech, hijacked to eliminate scientists, or experienced a fire. All of these things are still as relatively mundane, probabilistically and within my broader worldview, as a sociopath pilot killing a bunch of passengers. Pilots have been killing innocent people for decades, they're just usually not in the plane with them.

So, if the pilot did let the plane crash... what's the deal? Even if I require no evidence other than your experience I'm still left with massive gaps in what transpired since. I don't believe Malaysia has the clout to prevent the entire global community from speaking out or searching for wreckage, so what gives? Why does it remain such a big mystery when they could easily just go search the right area? What could be in the black box or wreckage that is any more inflammatory to public perception than an experienced and endorsed pilot deciding to end the lives of all the passengers?

If you have any plausible answers to these questions I would be glad to hear them. I have no dog in the fight, but without being able to answer those questions it remains filed under mysterious for me. To me it is impossible to separate the incident from what has happened since and, with the available information, it doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't mean you aren't correct, but it means I'm missing quite a bit of information about the implications of your scenario that caused this manufactured uncertainty to persist.

So, all EXCELLENT questions!!!  And, I am happy to answer them all, to the best of my abilities.  I only hope you will forgive me for deferring these answers until tomorrow because they are well thought out questions which require some thought in response.  I am glad to do this, but just not tonight.  Unlike some 'other' places, you are far more intelligent than most, so a casual answer will not suffice.

I can fill in some of the blanks you point out, but it will require some more in depth discussion about some of the technology involved, how it works and what I know about it.  I will need to be careful about how I construct that response because some of it is sensitive information (that's not a cop-out, but rather a statement of fact.  It doesn't mean I can't describe it in detail, but I just have to be careful about how I do it...if that makes sense.)  This response will take a bit more time than my tired brain is prepared to deal with at the moment.

Hopefully you (and others) can understand.  It's one thing to talk about theory, but it's a whole other thing to talk about facts (facts which can be cross checked and verified...which can be problematic for the person stating those facts).

Sincerely,
FCD