Clickbait title, but an interesting and far ranging conversation that touches on the CTMU (Cognitive-Theoretic Model of the Universe), politics, economics, God, UAPs, in no particular order. Nearly all of it can be said to involve a grand conspiracy somewhere in the mix.

There was a whole story behind this interview from The Daily Wire. They did the interview and all the people that saw it thought it was great, but then they never ran it. There was some conspiracy there, but I don't know if they just finally released it to him with permission to post or what.

As has been said before, if you want to know who is really in control then find out who you're absolutely not allowed to criticize. It's a bit more complicated that just that, but it's a really good place to start looking.




I started the CTMU and I never finished it. I applaud anybody that does and a standing ovation is in order if you can summarize it in a paragraph or two for everyone. It's pretty dense.

Of particular interest to some will be the UAP portions. I don't think it's anything really new from all the collective hints and allegations out there.

(11-04-2024, 10:00 AM)Ksihkehe Wrote: Clickbait title, but an interesting and far ranging conversation that touches on the CTMU (Cognitive-Theoretic Model of the Universe), politics, economics, God, UAPs, in no particular order. Nearly all of it can be said to involve a grand conspiracy somewhere in the mix.

There was a whole story behind this interview from The Daily Wire. They did the interview and all the people that saw it thought it was great, but then they never ran it. There was some conspiracy there, but I don't know if they just finally released it to him with permission to post or what.

As has been said before, if you want to know who is really in control then find out who you're absolutely not allowed to criticize. It's a bit more complicated that just that, but it's a really good place to start looking.




I started the CTMU and I never finished it. I applaud anybody that does and a standing ovation is in order if you can summarize it in a paragraph or two for everyone. It's pretty dense.

Of particular interest to some will be the UAP portions. I don't think it's anything really new from all the collective hints and allegations out there.

Here's my 'pithy' response (not).

I am aware of Chris Langan, and I've researched him a couple times in the past, but I have yet to be able to wrap my head around him.  On the one hand he seems like some genius, but on the other he seems like a kook.  Sometimes kooks are geniuses, and other times just kooks. 

I need to look into him a bit more.

I remember when Marilyn Vos Savant was all the IQ "thing".  She's a pretty interesting cat too.  I also remember when she got into some media tussle with Langan over who was smarter.  I don't recall how that all shook out, but Savant thinks on a different level than Langan.  I wouldn't really be sure how to compare them.  I don't know anything at all about this YoungHoon Kim dude.  He's supposedly smarter than both of them.

That's all I got.

(11-04-2024, 06:37 PM)FCD Wrote: Here's my 'pithy' response (not).

I don't know her that well, though the name rings a bell.

I'm comfortable giving them both the title with an asterisk.

A well trained Chat-GPT blows them both away on computational capacity. It would be both dumb as shit and lacking in true creative drive, but I think it would knock an IQ test out of the park.

Has anyone done that yet? Feed an LLM an IQ test? I can't be arsed to take one, so I'm sure as hell not taking the time to give one to an LLM. I'd enjoy hearing about it though.

(11-05-2024, 02:01 AM)Ksihkehe Wrote: I don't know her that well, though the name rings a bell.

I'm comfortable giving them both the title with an asterisk.

A well trained Chat-GPT blows them both away on computational capacity. It's would be both dumb as shit and lacking in true creative drive, but I think it would knock an IQ test out of the park.

Has anyone done that yet? Feed an LLM an IQ test? I can't be arsed to take one, so I'm sure as hell not taking the time to give one to an LLM. I'd enjoy hearing about it though.

I suspect you're right.  It would be interesting to see the results.  I took one back in 2001, and judging by the questions it would be a slam dunk for AI.

And yes, you are correct; there are no creative type questions, it's mostly just raw knowledge and being able to identify progressions.  There's a lot of visual acuity and perception elements though, so it would take some time to convert those into text or something which could be interpreted by an LLM.  Probably quite a bit of time, now that I think about it.  I suspect someone has done these conversions somewhere though because gawd forbid we leave out the window lickers on the short bus!

Vos Savant was on Letterman once. You can find the clip on U-toob. She was pretty easy on the eyes back then too.

(11-04-2024, 10:00 AM)Ksihkehe Wrote: Clickbait title, but an interesting and far ranging conversation that touches on the CTMU (Cognitive-Theoretic Model of the Universe), politics, economics, God, UAPs, in no particular order. Nearly all of it can be said to involve a grand conspiracy somewhere in the mix.

There was a whole story behind this interview from The Daily Wire. They did the interview and all the people that saw it thought it was great, but then they never ran it. There was some conspiracy there, but I don't know if they just finally released it to him with permission to post or what.

As has been said before, if you want to know who is really in control then find out who you're absolutely not allowed to criticize. It's a bit more complicated that just that, but it's a really good place to start looking.




I started the CTMU and I never finished it. I applaud anybody that does and a standing ovation is in order if you can summarize it in a paragraph or two for everyone. It's pretty dense.

Of particular interest to some will be the UAP portions. I don't think it's anything really new from all the collective hints and allegations out there.

Ok, after watching all of that all I can basically say is that I love this guy!

I would've loved to have him as a friend. 

I see a deep pain bourne of sadness within himself I suspect he or someone he loves deeply is chronically ill. 

I've seen that hurt in someone before. 

One thing I would've asked him as the interviewer (who I eventually came around to
as I perceived a certain sense of genuiness there) is what effect do you think your knowledge could've had on humanity and what could you have done to be more effectively heard all over the world? 

I've never heard mention of this guy in my life, but I'm sure glad you posted about him so cheers for that.

One thing I'm not in 100% agreement is God.

I mean I see signs of the devil all over the place. Evil people must certainly be doing what they do for some tangible being that bestows false opportunities in reward for this shortsighted trade. 

My question is why evil is so inflexible and determined in its course. What to gain but a spiteful rebuke of God like some petulant child, except this child is older than the first human and still it never gained insight into good. 

How does this work if it has free will and possess sufficient intelligence for this particular epiphany?



And while I have seen traces of the devil through the evil propagated in this world, I have yet to encounter God as in establish a relationship. 

But he does give instructions on how to facilitate that meeting. 

I will think on it. 

Great thread, BTW.

(11-06-2024, 07:49 PM)19Bones79 Wrote: Ok, after watching all of that all I can basically say is that I love this guy!

I would've loved to have him as a friend. 

I see a deep pain bourne of sadness within himself I suspect he or someone he loves deeply is chronically ill. 

I've seen that hurt in someone before. 

One thing I would've asked him as the interviewer (who I eventually came around to
as I perceived a certain sense of genuiness there) is what effect do you think your knowledge could've had on humanity and what could you have done to be more effectively heard all over the world? 

I've never heard mention of this guy in my life, but I'm sure glad you posted about him so cheers for that.

That would be an interesting, but complicated, question for him to answer.

It was actually addressed in an even longer interview to some degree. He was asked what advice he would give to others, what he'd have done different.

Like me, he's made peace with where he is and what caused him to arrive there. It simply couldn't happen any other way. The religious would call it surrender. The materialists would call it acceptance. I believe it's simply the path to true gnosis.

Quote:One thing I'm not in 100% agreement is God.

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I will think on it.

I'd have to ponder the section in between more to get a grip on how to respond, but a brief description of where my view of cosmology is now would be a rough undertaking. I've worked on it here and there. I need more experimentation though. I need to wriggle around in the mud with it more.

The CTMU is a big beautiful syntactic and semantic model of the universe, but from a practical perspective it's not very useful for most people. Me included. While he's describing the language the universe uses to speak to itself, he's not given me any sort of phonetic rubric for how I might speak that language. I think perhaps you just have to learn to listen to it and start to pick it up as you go. His model does seem to provide a sound underpinning for where my own little journey has taken me, my conclusions.

It's not a criticism as I don't think it was his intent to provide a rubric. Religion has historically been where the language of the universe is tortured into metaphors and allegories. So much so that just the mention of God now causes people to erect a wall of knee-jerk skepticism due to religion.

The main problem with religion can be reduced down to the same problem we have with modern education. It's a system that tells you what to think, not how to think or what really matters.

This same video I mentioned above he touches on religion, free will, and other things. I was always highly critical of Christianity, but I now see it as a brand name for something much bigger. I don't like Nestle and their bottled water empire, but I do still very much like water. I've stopped equating the content with the vessel, even when it's contaminated by it. The water can still save your life, even if it tastes like shit and has a little toxic residue.

Everybody needs water, but not everyone gets to choose where they get it from.

(11-06-2024, 09:46 PM)Ksihkehe Wrote: That would be an interesting, but complicated, question for him to answer.

It was actually addressed in an even longer interview to some degree. He was asked what advice he would give to others, what he'd have done different.

Like me, he's made peace with where he is and what caused him to arrive there. It simply couldn't happen any other way. The religious would call it surrender. The materialists would call it acceptance. I believe it's simply the path to true gnosis.


I'd have to ponder the section in between more to get a grip on how to respond, but a brief description of where my view of cosmology is now would be a rough undertaking. I've worked on it here and there. I need more experimentation though. I need to wriggle around in the mud with it more.

The CTMU is a big beautiful syntactic and semantic model of the universe, but from a practical perspective it's not very useful for most people. Me included. While he's describing the language the universe uses to speak to itself, he's not given me any sort of phonetic rubric for how I might speak that language. I think perhaps you just have to learn to listen to it and start to pick it up as you go. His model does seem to provide a sound underpinning for where my own little journey has taken me, my conclusions.

It's not a criticism as I don't think it was his intent to provide a rubric. Religion has historically been where the language of the universe is tortured into metaphors and allegories. So much so that just the mention of God now causes people to erect a wall of knee-jerk skepticism due to religion.

The main problem with religion can be reduced down to the same problem we have with modern education. It's a system that tells you what to think, not how to think or what really matters.

This same video I mentioned above he touches on religion, free will, and other things. I was always highly critical of Christianity, but I now see it as a brand name for something much bigger. I don't like Nestle and their bottled water empire, but I do still very much like water. I've stopped equating the content with the vessel, even when it's contaminated by it. The water can still save your life, even if it tastes like shit and has a little toxic residue.

Everybody needs water, but not everyone gets to choose where they get it from.

That's a perfect analogy with the water. 

I'm going to have to look more into him, he ticks a lot of boxes on credibility in the way I perceive his view on our shared reality. 

That's what I like about him he comes from a place of genuineness. 

And I can imagine he's holding back on a lot of things he talks about because he knows they will assassinate his character and turn him into some circus freakshow if he discussed some of his darkest realizations about what's going on on in the world and who are the players involved and everything they do behind the scenes. 

Some elitist did once say that if the people knew what was going on the game would be up overnight with revolution and them swinging from lampposts in the streets.

I like that he says he doesn't condone violence but the people must act in such a way that their political representatives carry out their responsibilities with the certainty that the people would lynch them if they go too far.

He says evil must always be opposed and outright rejected and I agree with the slow burn throughout the previous century with morals first relaxing and slowly deteriorating as a collective the mostly Christian societies of the West have lost a large part of their culture which ultimately comes down to an erosion of our identity.

It wasn't Christians that did this to us but a lot of so-called Christians have sold out and to do that they had to sell out their own peoples. 

That's why we have such weak, opportunistic sociopathic 'leaders' that were easy to blackmail once they were put into place.

I'm going to watch the 2nd video today as I was gifted a rare off day in the midst of a charge of insubordination. 

And for the first time in my career I'm playing this game exactly right, even as 'he' thinks he's in control of the process. 

It's a long story but basically their golden boy is going to have a mark against his name and I'm basically using his own momentum against him. 

Good times.

(11-07-2024, 04:39 AM)19Bones79 Wrote: And for the first time in my career I'm playing this game exactly right, even as 'he' thinks he's in control of the process. 

It's a long story but basically their golden boy is going to have a mark against his name and I'm basically using his own momentum against him. 

Good times.

I wish you luck, but hope you won't need it.

It sucks having to deal with it, but winning makes it suck a little less.

(11-07-2024, 06:09 AM)Ksihkehe Wrote: I wish you luck, but hope you won't need it.

It sucks having to deal with it, but winning makes it suck a little less.

I have it all planned out with an exit strategy tied into it and because I'm going to use their corporate logic against them in the most gentlest way I'm going to be vindicated before I cut the cord. 

There's a lot more finer detail involved I'll hit you up once it's played out. 

Fortunately it feels like in those types of plots where a lot of seemingly unconnected points converge and reveal their interconnectivity and how it was always designed to lead up to that point. 

My actions and professional conduct always guarantees that there's a few landmines laid behind me for if someone tries to come after me. 

And at this age I'm emotionally detached from the process and able to think clearly. 

I'm looking forward to it for the first time in my life. 

(11-06-2024, 07:49 PM)19Bones79 Wrote: My question is why evil is so inflexible and determined in its course. What to gain but a spiteful rebuke of God like some petulant child, except this child is older than the first human and still it never gained insight into good. 

How does this work if it has free will and possess sufficient intelligence for this particular epiphany?

And while I have seen traces of the devil through the evil propagated in this world, I have yet to encounter God as in establish a relationship. 

So many things come to mind! Especially the N.A. legend of the two wolves fighting for dominance in each of us.
The story of the two wolves
An old Cherokee Indian chief was teaching his grandson about life.

He said, "A fight is going on inside me," he told the young boy, "a fight between two wolves.

The Dark one is evil - he is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego." He continued, "The Light Wolf is good - he is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith. The same fight is going on inside you grandson…and inside of every other person on the face of this earth.”

The grandson ponders this for a moment and then asked, "Grandfather, which wolf will win?"

The old Cherokee smiled and simply said, "The one you feed".

Every day we make choices, important choices that could be overlooked as being trivial – but these choices define us. They are a statement of whom we choose to be in this life, and what impact we will have on the world around us.

It's obviously so much easier to feed the Dark wolf — the Dark wolf is there to encourage the easier options in life. It’s easier to procrastinate, complain, dismiss, ignore, and give up.

There is almost no effort required to do those things, and you’re getting the reward with the sensation of relieving and instant gratification without much action.

The Light wolf is very different; it’s harder to feed. It’s challenging, tiring and time-consuming to do things like learning, teaching, inspiring, sharing or simply sticking to new behaviours. These things take energy, effort, vulnerability, momentum, and bravery. They take more time and you don’t usually see immediate results.

Which wolf you choose to feed will define who you are, and we all know we should feed the Light wolf — even if it’s harder. Feeding the Light wolf is how we end up feeling a sense of accomplishment and success at the end of the day.

The story continues...
However, it doesn't end there. In the Cherokee world, however, there’s another version of the story

The old Cherokee simply replied, “If you feed them right, they both win.” and the story goes on:

“You see, if I only choose to feed the Light wolf, the Dark wolf will be hiding around every corner waiting for me to become distracted or weak and jump to get the attention he craves. He will always be angry and will always fight the Light wolf.”

“But if I acknowledge him, he is happy and the light wolf is happy and we all win. For the dark wolf has many qualities — tenacity, courage, fearlessness, strong-willed and great strategic thinking–that I have need of at times. These are the very things the light wolf lacks. But the light wolf has compassion, caring, strength and the ability to recognize what is in the best interest of all.”

“You see, son, the light wolf needs the dark wolf at his side. To feed only one would starve the other and they will become uncontrollable. To feed and care for both means they will serve you well and do nothing that is not a part of something greater, something good, something of life.”

“Feed them both and there will be no more internal struggle for your attention. And when there is no battle inside, you can listen to the voices of deeper knowing that will guide you in choosing what is right in every circumstance.”

“Peace, my son, is the Cherokee mission in life. A man or a woman who has peace inside has everything. A man or a woman who is pulled apart by the war inside him or her has nothing.”

“How you choose to interact with the opposing forces within you will determine your life. Starve one or the other or guide them both.”

My other favorite is:

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I personally believe as long as we look to others to endoctrinate us in our beliefs we might never find what wer're looking for; it becomes a wedge between the Entity (truth) we're trying to connect with.

When I see the stars or gaze upon a new born child or animal I see the Creator. I FEEL the Creator, and it's the same one all the religions say we can connect with if we just put our faith in their doctrine. 

If we didn't know God before being born into physical bodies then where does this yearning come from? It seems to have started with the first man, perhaps millions of years before we were given sanctioned religions to choose our beliefs from.

My beliefs tend to align more with indeginous tribes that seems more closely aligned with Mother Earth and honoring the Creator than focusing on the dual natur of man. Religion throw the baby out with the bath water, it seems to me.