Fentanyl vs. Guns

[Ksihkehe]

I singled this out because it is not a "pointless conversation"; it is a vital conversation if we wish to retain our inalienable rights.

You singled it out and removed it from the context in which it was said. The full context, in fact, is a criticism of wasting time on irrelevant aspects of those vital discussions. Like arguing with sycophants over the numbers and real risks.

Ksihkehe: "I haven't looked lately because the numbers are just an excuse for attempts to crack down on a right that shall not be infringed. It's a pointless conversation because the opposing view point will assert that any number is too many and will lobby for further restrictions of rights...."

If you want to argue with sycophants on the Internet about things that are just distorted facts used as excuses for their irrational beliefs, rather than serious policy positions, that's your prerogative. None of them that use the deaths as a point have any serious understanding of real risks. You can tell them about risk until you're blue in the face. Numbers are irrelevant. There is no number, including zero gun deaths, that will cause them to switch to being pro-liberty. No number of violent criminals allowed to cross the border, no matter how high, will change their immigration beliefs.

As you can see from my willingness to flesh out thoughtful replies... I'm eager to talk about it seriously. If we're all past believing all that gun deaths risk bullshit, it seems discussing those deaths is just a game of slap-ass with the guys. If anybody here disagrees that the number of deaths is a red herring... they can certainly come post, but I won't be riding the moron-go-round having pointless discussion with them.

I just can't be bothered to spend much time on lowest common denominator nonsense that isn't relevant or serious. Anybody pretending this is the reason they support gun restrictions is either lying or ignorant. Why bother wasting time on them? Are they actually making any decisions? Are they going to vote differently?

If you allow the anti-freedom advocates to continue controlling what the discussion is about then it's never going to be about things that actually matter. We should just import the DNC posters now and become ATS-lite. You will remain mired in unwinnable debates over shit they don't actually care about, all while they cover their ears and repeat more nonsense. The gun deaths discussion can be rebutted with the information I provided and a few minutes on Google search. If it was a real argument that anybody cared about we wouldn't still be discussing it two decades later.

The pointless discussion I'm referring to is discussing irrelevant things with irrational or ignorant people. I would hope that's not a terribly controversial opinion here.