03-28-2025, 03:01 AM
(This post was last modified: 03-28-2025, 03:02 AM by NobodySpecial268.
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Some progress.
Preface: Ethics . . .
In many cases, people think in terms of discovering the trigger to lucid dreams, the switch to turn on lucid dreaming.
Now this is something, should it be discovered, that would cause a lot of trouble. It is not difficult to understand that there are people who would trigger lucid dreams in others for nefarious purposes. In my post above, the deceased nun was one of those people who triggered a lucid nightmare in a kid to induce trauma. Suffice it to say, the nun picked on the wrong kid, and was dealt with accordingly. The deceased nun's fate suggests quite clearly that we need ethics.
That doesn't mean we should give up on lucid dreaming.
The alternative approach is to work out the rules of lucid dreams, and the origin. Understanding rules may improve our own progress into the realm of lucid dreams.
In the lucid nightmare scenario, and maybe also some of the sleep paralysis events, there is a consciousness other than ours in control.
In the lucid dream scenario, there is also a consciousness other than ours in control.
That is until we can behave responsibly. That is my opinion, anyway.
The difference is one is kind and considerate and the other is not.
Both use a similar principle.
On the cell phone, appearing in lucid dreams.
* Within the lucid dream, the young lady had her cell phone from normal life.
* The phone would disappear if she tried to look at it, and return to her pocket.
* There was one contact on the phone.
* This contact could be called.
* The contact would then appear within the lucid dream as a familiar face.
Comment: This is a 'help line' mechanism.
On boundaries in lucid dreams.
* Early in my teenage years, I had a lucid dream where I woke into the dream and found myself in my bedroom. When I tried to open the bedroom door, I was returned to my normal waking self.
Comment: This is a 'sandbox/playpen' mechanism. Clearly, by trying to open the door, that triggered an end to the lucid dream. The door was probably for later, and after one was ready to explore. The mistake was to go striaght for the door.
The principal is easy to understand, both in the lucid nightmare and the lucid dream. The principal is consciousness is nested. There ars intellegences other than our own involved. At least in the beginning.
The dreamer is nested within another consciousness. The other consciousness provides the "playpen" because it is a potentially dangerous world out there.Those of bad intentions, and providers of lucid nightmares for example.
So the idea goes that if we appreciate that something/someone is the creator of the closed space within we lucid dream, we can learn.
Preface: Ethics . . .
In many cases, people think in terms of discovering the trigger to lucid dreams, the switch to turn on lucid dreaming.
Now this is something, should it be discovered, that would cause a lot of trouble. It is not difficult to understand that there are people who would trigger lucid dreams in others for nefarious purposes. In my post above, the deceased nun was one of those people who triggered a lucid nightmare in a kid to induce trauma. Suffice it to say, the nun picked on the wrong kid, and was dealt with accordingly. The deceased nun's fate suggests quite clearly that we need ethics.
That doesn't mean we should give up on lucid dreaming.
The alternative approach is to work out the rules of lucid dreams, and the origin. Understanding rules may improve our own progress into the realm of lucid dreams.
In the lucid nightmare scenario, and maybe also some of the sleep paralysis events, there is a consciousness other than ours in control.
In the lucid dream scenario, there is also a consciousness other than ours in control.
That is until we can behave responsibly. That is my opinion, anyway.
The difference is one is kind and considerate and the other is not.
Both use a similar principle.
On the cell phone, appearing in lucid dreams.
* Within the lucid dream, the young lady had her cell phone from normal life.
* The phone would disappear if she tried to look at it, and return to her pocket.
* There was one contact on the phone.
* This contact could be called.
* The contact would then appear within the lucid dream as a familiar face.
Comment: This is a 'help line' mechanism.
On boundaries in lucid dreams.
* Early in my teenage years, I had a lucid dream where I woke into the dream and found myself in my bedroom. When I tried to open the bedroom door, I was returned to my normal waking self.
Comment: This is a 'sandbox/playpen' mechanism. Clearly, by trying to open the door, that triggered an end to the lucid dream. The door was probably for later, and after one was ready to explore. The mistake was to go striaght for the door.
The principal is easy to understand, both in the lucid nightmare and the lucid dream. The principal is consciousness is nested. There ars intellegences other than our own involved. At least in the beginning.
The dreamer is nested within another consciousness. The other consciousness provides the "playpen" because it is a potentially dangerous world out there.Those of bad intentions, and providers of lucid nightmares for example.
So the idea goes that if we appreciate that something/someone is the creator of the closed space within we lucid dream, we can learn.
Two of my ATS threads: The Secret Life Of Grays | The Secret Life Of Fairies